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	<title>Comments on: Should Effort Count? Students Certainly Think So</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  I have health issues that prevent me from getting to class sometimes which means I don&#039;t always make the due dates/deadlines.  I am working with my doctors so this will not continue to be an issue, but in the mean time I need someone who is willing to work with me.  If I am taking a class it means I want to learn and I expect the teacher to be involved with my education by being flexible.  To me the syllabus is a guideline of what is expected, but once you start a dialogue with a particular student the rules begin to evolve and change according to their particular needs.  I refuse to be put into a &quot;a one size fits all&quot; way of learning.  If this is how one teaches I avoid your class.  If I have to take your course in order to graduate be prepared to be pushed out of your comfort zone.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  I have health issues that prevent me from getting to class sometimes which means I don&#039;t always make the due dates/deadlines.  I am working with my doctors so this will not continue to be an issue, but in the mean time I need someone who is willing to work with me.  If I am taking a class it means I want to learn and I expect the teacher to be involved with my education by being flexible.  To me the syllabus is a guideline of what is expected, but once you start a dialogue with a particular student the rules begin to evolve and change according to their particular needs.  I refuse to be put into a &quot;a one size fits all&quot; way of learning.  If this is how one teaches I avoid your class.  If I have to take your course in order to graduate be prepared to be pushed out of your comfort zone.  </p>
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		<title>By: J Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I wouldn&#039;t take your class.  No room to take anything into consideration that would allow you to be flexible.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I wouldn&#039;t take your class.  No room to take anything into consideration that would allow you to be flexible.   </p>
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		<title>By: seejayjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>seejayjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. There are very few real-world situations where you are required to take a closed-book test. The vast majority of times, you have full access to any and all resources to solve a problem, and are expected to use them. Why do we insist on so much artificial testing?  
 
The few times where you do have to take such a test---like the GRE or a certification exam---you will have studied hard for it if you want to do well. There&#039;s no reason to use the same methods in a class when there are far more authentic and engaging ways to demonstrate mastery and effort. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. There are very few real-world situations where you are required to take a closed-book test. The vast majority of times, you have full access to any and all resources to solve a problem, and are expected to use them. Why do we insist on so much artificial testing?  </p>
<p>The few times where you do have to take such a test&#8212;like the GRE or a certification exam&#8212;you will have studied hard for it if you want to do well. There&#039;s no reason to use the same methods in a class when there are far more authentic and engaging ways to demonstrate mastery and effort. </p>
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		<title>By: seejayjames</title>
		<link>http://www.facultyfocus.com/articles/teaching-professor-blog/should-effort-count-students-certainly-think-so/#comment-9215</link>
		<dc:creator>seejayjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree. You are part of the problem. Creativity can in fact be evaluated on a number of scales, and it can be taught and practiced, just like any other skill. Do some research on it before you dismiss it out of hand. 
 
Assigning the same value to two vastly different outcomes can be totally fine IF you&#039;ve made it clear to the student what their strengths and weaknesses are. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s doing a disservice to the institution or the society. Education is there to better individuals...if both these students got better during the course, then you have succeeded. You cannot grade them on the same standard and hope they will keep their love of learning, because the second-grade level writer will fail and may not want to continue in their education as a result. What have you achieved in that case? You&#039;ve nipped a learner in the unrealized bud. That&#039;s not the reason for education in the first place. 
 
I can understand wishing one didn&#039;t have to grade them at all. There are many schools in which this is the case, and many of them produce highly-qualified graduates. Students study what they want to study and their natural curiosity provides motivation. Do I think all schools could be this way? Maybe someday, but in the meantime, we can certainly take some small steps towards that goal. Read a little Alfie Kohn for more thoughts on the pitfalls of grading and rewards in general...there are many to watch out for. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t agree. You are part of the problem. Creativity can in fact be evaluated on a number of scales, and it can be taught and practiced, just like any other skill. Do some research on it before you dismiss it out of hand. </p>
<p>Assigning the same value to two vastly different outcomes can be totally fine IF you&#039;ve made it clear to the student what their strengths and weaknesses are. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s doing a disservice to the institution or the society. Education is there to better individuals&#8230;if both these students got better during the course, then you have succeeded. You cannot grade them on the same standard and hope they will keep their love of learning, because the second-grade level writer will fail and may not want to continue in their education as a result. What have you achieved in that case? You&#039;ve nipped a learner in the unrealized bud. That&#039;s not the reason for education in the first place. </p>
<p>I can understand wishing one didn&#039;t have to grade them at all. There are many schools in which this is the case, and many of them produce highly-qualified graduates. Students study what they want to study and their natural curiosity provides motivation. Do I think all schools could be this way? Maybe someday, but in the meantime, we can certainly take some small steps towards that goal. Read a little Alfie Kohn for more thoughts on the pitfalls of grading and rewards in general&#8230;there are many to watch out for. </p>
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		<title>By: seejayjames</title>
		<link>http://www.facultyfocus.com/articles/teaching-professor-blog/should-effort-count-students-certainly-think-so/#comment-9213</link>
		<dc:creator>seejayjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand where you&#039;re coming from, but college is not the real world, nor is it a job. That&#039;s why it can be a great opportunity to have effort count for *some* of the final grade. If designed into the course properly, it can help students who have difficulties achieving at the same level as their peers. This can help with persistence and retention, which are far more important overall than going from (say) a D to a C in one class due to effort. In other words, you&#039;re not &quot;fired&quot; from college in the same way as you are from a job, which is how it should be. It takes a lot more poor performance to be dismissed from college than from a job, and there are ample opportunities to make up for low grades. 
 
I would also say that those students who can &quot;breeze&quot; through their courses (for whatever reason---probably they have parents who value education highly, went to a good high school, have unusually high natural aptitude, etc.) could have trouble down the road if they don&#039;t have any courses which account for effort, for the opposite reason: they assume that their natural abilities will always be enough, and if they have to put in a lot of effort, they might not think it&#039;s worth it. When they run into challenges down the road, like at a job, they may not have cultivated the effort ethic that other students have. 
 
And besides, if the courses really are attuned to effort, they can require different students to perform at different levels. This way, the high-achievers won&#039;t be able to breeze through...they&#039;ll be expected to do more. Is that fair? In one way, no, because students are held to different standards. But in another way it&#039;s MORE fair (because students are at different ability levels already) and more effective at promoting learning, because all students are challenged just the right amount. 
 
Bottom line: What do we want students to get out of their college experience? It&#039;s complex! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand where you&#039;re coming from, but college is not the real world, nor is it a job. That&#039;s why it can be a great opportunity to have effort count for *some* of the final grade. If designed into the course properly, it can help students who have difficulties achieving at the same level as their peers. This can help with persistence and retention, which are far more important overall than going from (say) a D to a C in one class due to effort. In other words, you&#039;re not &quot;fired&quot; from college in the same way as you are from a job, which is how it should be. It takes a lot more poor performance to be dismissed from college than from a job, and there are ample opportunities to make up for low grades. </p>
<p>I would also say that those students who can &quot;breeze&quot; through their courses (for whatever reason&#8212;probably they have parents who value education highly, went to a good high school, have unusually high natural aptitude, etc.) could have trouble down the road if they don&#039;t have any courses which account for effort, for the opposite reason: they assume that their natural abilities will always be enough, and if they have to put in a lot of effort, they might not think it&#039;s worth it. When they run into challenges down the road, like at a job, they may not have cultivated the effort ethic that other students have. </p>
<p>And besides, if the courses really are attuned to effort, they can require different students to perform at different levels. This way, the high-achievers won&#039;t be able to breeze through&#8230;they&#039;ll be expected to do more. Is that fair? In one way, no, because students are held to different standards. But in another way it&#039;s MORE fair (because students are at different ability levels already) and more effective at promoting learning, because all students are challenged just the right amount. </p>
<p>Bottom line: What do we want students to get out of their college experience? It&#039;s complex! </p>
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		<title>By: Bob-II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob-II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you are part of the problem, Bob. 
 
A. It&#039;s silly to grade &quot;creativity&quot; in the first place. Your courses should be pass/fail, based on your subjective evaluation of the student&#039;s creativity as you define it, instead of being GRADED (i.e. different levels of competency).  
B. If you assign the same value to the writing of someone who has been writing since age 5 and who is producing writing worthy of the New Yorker as the writing of someone who has applied tremendous &quot;effort&quot; and who writes at 2nd grade level, you are doing a disservice to both individuals, your institution and the society. 
C. A great actor is evidently great, even if he/she has a shitty attitude, Give them an &quot;F&quot; for effort/attitide, if you want. But a bad actor is still a bad actor, even if they earn an &quot;A&quot; for their affort. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you are part of the problem, Bob. </p>
<p>A. It&#039;s silly to grade &quot;creativity&quot; in the first place. Your courses should be pass/fail, based on your subjective evaluation of the student&#039;s creativity as you define it, instead of being GRADED (i.e. different levels of competency).<br />
B. If you assign the same value to the writing of someone who has been writing since age 5 and who is producing writing worthy of the New Yorker as the writing of someone who has applied tremendous &quot;effort&quot; and who writes at 2nd grade level, you are doing a disservice to both individuals, your institution and the society.<br />
C. A great actor is evidently great, even if he/she has a shitty attitude, Give them an &quot;F&quot; for effort/attitide, if you want. But a bad actor is still a bad actor, even if they earn an &quot;A&quot; for their affort. </p>
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		<title>By: Gina Burkart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Burkart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certainly ways to work effort into the grading equation. For example, on discussion boards, students can discuss and explore class topics in meaningful ways. Their discussions can be graded based on their contributions rather than mastery of material. This type of assignment is low stakes and contributes to learning--it could also offset low test scores for students who are poor test takers. I think students would perceive these types of assignments as valuing effort. Additionally, assigning projects or other assignments that value different ways of demonstrating learning might also be perceived as valuing effort. Perhaps, what students are telling us is that they value classes that allow for them to demonstrate learning and proficiency in multiple and diverse ways---as opposed to tests. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly ways to work effort into the grading equation. For example, on discussion boards, students can discuss and explore class topics in meaningful ways. Their discussions can be graded based on their contributions rather than mastery of material. This type of assignment is low stakes and contributes to learning&#8211;it could also offset low test scores for students who are poor test takers. I think students would perceive these types of assignments as valuing effort. Additionally, assigning projects or other assignments that value different ways of demonstrating learning might also be perceived as valuing effort. Perhaps, what students are telling us is that they value classes that allow for them to demonstrate learning and proficiency in multiple and diverse ways&#8212;as opposed to tests. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 03:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on the subject. If the goals of the class are x,y, and z and a student needs to know x, y, z to move on and go to the next level or nursing school or whatever, sure, they need to know xyz. I teach creative writing and acting. Every student comes in with a different background and amount of experience. I&#039;ve never felt it was fair to judge the person who has been writing since age 5 on the same scale as the person who was trying something out for the first time. I grade on how much effort the student makes in doing what I asked for. They may not do it very well, but if they give it the best effort they can manage at the level they are now, I&#039;ll give them close to full points. But the stakes are different from a lot of other classes.  My priorities are to give them exercises that expand their native talents and challenge their creativity, but in grading it is to &#039;do no harm.&#039; We never know when an artistic person will get it, will find the form, the voice, the character, the path ... and for me to nip an artist in the unrealized bud is a crime way worse than not holding every student to some standard. In my field, I wish I didn&#039;t have to grade them at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the subject. If the goals of the class are x,y, and z and a student needs to know x, y, z to move on and go to the next level or nursing school or whatever, sure, they need to know xyz. I teach creative writing and acting. Every student comes in with a different background and amount of experience. I&#039;ve never felt it was fair to judge the person who has been writing since age 5 on the same scale as the person who was trying something out for the first time. I grade on how much effort the student makes in doing what I asked for. They may not do it very well, but if they give it the best effort they can manage at the level they are now, I&#039;ll give them close to full points. But the stakes are different from a lot of other classes.  My priorities are to give them exercises that expand their native talents and challenge their creativity, but in grading it is to &#039;do no harm.&#039; We never know when an artistic person will get it, will find the form, the voice, the character, the path &#8230; and for me to nip an artist in the unrealized bud is a crime way worse than not holding every student to some standard. In my field, I wish I didn&#039;t have to grade them at all. </p>
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		<title>By: Marya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is not that college is brain surgery.  School is where you learn to do brain surgery, or social work, or teach kids.  So, if you don&#039;t learn how to do those things--as evidenced by performance in school--I don&#039;t want you doing brain surgery, working with vulnerable populations, or teaching my children. 
 
Talking to the students is essential.  But also note that students tend to overestimate the time they do take on the work they do.  An hour of concentration is less effective when it&#039;s punctuated with Facebook, texting, chatting with friends.... but folks (even professors!) sometimes go by what the clock says--an hour has passed--than what they&#039;ve achieved.  Last, ten hours of effort that take place in the ten hours immediately before the class start to get something turned in is qualitatively different than ten hours of thoughtful reflection and thinking critically.  Students who get high marks know this; students who know this don&#039;t complain about how hard they worked but didn&#039;t get the grade they wanted. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is not that college is brain surgery.  School is where you learn to do brain surgery, or social work, or teach kids.  So, if you don&#039;t learn how to do those things&#8211;as evidenced by performance in school&#8211;I don&#039;t want you doing brain surgery, working with vulnerable populations, or teaching my children. </p>
<p>Talking to the students is essential.  But also note that students tend to overestimate the time they do take on the work they do.  An hour of concentration is less effective when it&#039;s punctuated with Facebook, texting, chatting with friends&#8230;. but folks (even professors!) sometimes go by what the clock says&#8211;an hour has passed&#8211;than what they&#039;ve achieved.  Last, ten hours of effort that take place in the ten hours immediately before the class start to get something turned in is qualitatively different than ten hours of thoughtful reflection and thinking critically.  Students who get high marks know this; students who know this don&#039;t complain about how hard they worked but didn&#039;t get the grade they wanted. </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is almost impossible to measure and evaluate effort. One student who is gifted might devote relatively little time to a class yet turn in superior work. Another student might spend hours and still produce only average work. People in life are not rewarded for effort but for results and products. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is almost impossible to measure and evaluate effort. One student who is gifted might devote relatively little time to a class yet turn in superior work. Another student might spend hours and still produce only average work. People in life are not rewarded for effort but for results and products. </p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it&#039;s time to assign a grade for the class, I can give either an A, B, C, D, or F.  Even if I&#039;d like to give students an E for effort, there&#039;s no E bubble for me to fill in when I submit final grades. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it&#039;s time to assign a grade for the class, I can give either an A, B, C, D, or F.  Even if I&#039;d like to give students an E for effort, there&#039;s no E bubble for me to fill in when I submit final grades. </p>
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		<title>By: Dr RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give zero points for effort. If you master the material, you get the grade, If not, you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give zero points for effort. If you master the material, you get the grade, If not, you don&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: music professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>music professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely.  We cannot be in the business of giving university degrees in &quot;trying hard.&quot;  If a student of mine practices &quot;really hard&quot; but still hasn&#039;t mastered the skills necessary to perform a piece convincingly, in tune, musically, etc. (nevermind all the right notes at the right time) then the information that they are actually trying is crucial to me as a teacher.  It tells me that the solution is an adjustment of practice methods, not practice amount.  For me, it&#039;s actually helpful for students to know that their grade is NOT based at all on how hard they try.  They will exaggerate the number of hours they practice, when asked, if they think it is based even a little bit on effort, and then my teaching of them and their learning is compromised since I will not accurately be able to determine the best course of action for them to improve.  In the end though, it really isn&#039;t about how HARD they try (how many hours they practice) but how WELL they try (what practice methods they employ). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely.  We cannot be in the business of giving university degrees in &quot;trying hard.&quot;  If a student of mine practices &quot;really hard&quot; but still hasn&#039;t mastered the skills necessary to perform a piece convincingly, in tune, musically, etc. (nevermind all the right notes at the right time) then the information that they are actually trying is crucial to me as a teacher.  It tells me that the solution is an adjustment of practice methods, not practice amount.  For me, it&#039;s actually helpful for students to know that their grade is NOT based at all on how hard they try.  They will exaggerate the number of hours they practice, when asked, if they think it is based even a little bit on effort, and then my teaching of them and their learning is compromised since I will not accurately be able to determine the best course of action for them to improve.  In the end though, it really isn&#039;t about how HARD they try (how many hours they practice) but how WELL they try (what practice methods they employ). </p>
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		<title>By: @DrBruceJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>@DrBruceJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dr. Weimer: 
 
This was another very informative post.  
 
As a college instructor, on-ground and online, I&#8217;m always interested in articles like this &#8211; and this leads me to my first question. Why did the study focus on performance and effort? In other words, why was effort part of the equation? The reason why I ask is that most students (from my experience) know that points are earned and I emphasize that through the use of a rubric.  
 
You&#8217;ve asked: How could you be in class, do the homework, regularly participate and not master the material? &#8211; There are many reasons for this and it comes down to this: effort does not equal mastery. Students may lack reading comprehension skills and have other under-developed skillsets.  
 
Perhaps instead of a &#8220;discussion of that topic begins with a definition of effort, or a description of what it takes to learn something&#8221; we should focus on skills needed to learn? 
Dr. J 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dr. Weimer: </p>
<p>This was another very informative post.  </p>
<p>As a college instructor, on-ground and online, I&rsquo;m always interested in articles like this &ndash; and this leads me to my first question. Why did the study focus on performance and effort? In other words, why was effort part of the equation? The reason why I ask is that most students (from my experience) know that points are earned and I emphasize that through the use of a rubric.  </p>
<p>You&rsquo;ve asked: How could you be in class, do the homework, regularly participate and not master the material? &ndash; There are many reasons for this and it comes down to this: effort does not equal mastery. Students may lack reading comprehension skills and have other under-developed skillsets.  </p>
<p>Perhaps instead of a &ldquo;discussion of that topic begins with a definition of effort, or a description of what it takes to learn something&rdquo; we should focus on skills needed to learn?<br />
Dr. J </p>
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		<title>By: Algebra Instructor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Algebra Instructor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is definitely necessary to help students who say that they are trying.  Many times I have students tell me that they studied for hours and yet could not pass their Algebra test.  Generally, they are not studying in the right manner.  Or they are doing it for six hours the night before the test, and doing nothing the rest of the week.  They certainly &quot;feel&quot; like they are trying, however it would depend on the perspective. 
 
When we give a student a grade in a class (which is necessary!), it MUST signify that they know the material.  If we begin passing students because they &quot;tried&quot;, their degree simply means that they tried in college.  It no longer means that they know the material necessary to enter the work force. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is definitely necessary to help students who say that they are trying.  Many times I have students tell me that they studied for hours and yet could not pass their Algebra test.  Generally, they are not studying in the right manner.  Or they are doing it for six hours the night before the test, and doing nothing the rest of the week.  They certainly &quot;feel&quot; like they are trying, however it would depend on the perspective. </p>
<p>When we give a student a grade in a class (which is necessary!), it MUST signify that they know the material.  If we begin passing students because they &quot;tried&quot;, their degree simply means that they tried in college.  It no longer means that they know the material necessary to enter the work force. </p>
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		<title>By: DrEvel1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrEvel1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is that in most courses, there are two largely separable objectives: (1) to master the CONTENT of the field (usually a matter of learning to use the specialized vocabulary of the field correctly, or at least convincingly; and (2) to master the PROCESS of the field - its methods and practices, its definition of problems, and its approach to solutions. There may be other objectives, but most of them can be easily classified into one or the other of these categories. Regarding Objective Set 1, effort is irrelevant - either you succeed in talking like a ___, or you don&#039;t. Assessing success is more or less accomplished by a sort of &quot;Turing Test&quot; - can you sound competent to participate in the field?  Assessing Objective Set 2 is more complicated, and effort probably ought to be rewarded here. Accomplishment here is a matter of degree; total competence is virtually never achieved in one course, and success is always approached asymptotically - there&#039;s always room for improvement, even among those of us who have been doing (whatever it is) for oodles of years. In fact, it&#039;s a sign of professional accomplishment that one recognizes that one still has things to learn. A course that culminates in a grade is inherently time-bound - the grade is an attempt to categorize the degree of success in approaching the learning objectives/outcomes within a defined time interval. Most grades represent an honest attempt by the instructor to apply some explicitly or (more often) implicitly weighted combination of Objective Set 1 and Objective Set 2. In general, I would suggest that instructors formulating course objectives/outcomes might be well advised to be more explicit in their understanding and expression of the differences between the assessment criteria in Set 1 and Set 2, and how they apply in the case of the particular course under discussion. I&#039;ve found it helpful to think in terms of the categories in my own course planning, and the students seem to appreciate having these issues discussed directly. At the least, it reduces the potential for drama in the student/teacher relationship, at least be a little, and every bit of reduction here helps! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is that in most courses, there are two largely separable objectives: (1) to master the CONTENT of the field (usually a matter of learning to use the specialized vocabulary of the field correctly, or at least convincingly; and (2) to master the PROCESS of the field &#8211; its methods and practices, its definition of problems, and its approach to solutions. There may be other objectives, but most of them can be easily classified into one or the other of these categories. Regarding Objective Set 1, effort is irrelevant &#8211; either you succeed in talking like a ___, or you don&#039;t. Assessing success is more or less accomplished by a sort of &quot;Turing Test&quot; &#8211; can you sound competent to participate in the field?  Assessing Objective Set 2 is more complicated, and effort probably ought to be rewarded here. Accomplishment here is a matter of degree; total competence is virtually never achieved in one course, and success is always approached asymptotically &#8211; there&#039;s always room for improvement, even among those of us who have been doing (whatever it is) for oodles of years. In fact, it&#039;s a sign of professional accomplishment that one recognizes that one still has things to learn. A course that culminates in a grade is inherently time-bound &#8211; the grade is an attempt to categorize the degree of success in approaching the learning objectives/outcomes within a defined time interval. Most grades represent an honest attempt by the instructor to apply some explicitly or (more often) implicitly weighted combination of Objective Set 1 and Objective Set 2. In general, I would suggest that instructors formulating course objectives/outcomes might be well advised to be more explicit in their understanding and expression of the differences between the assessment criteria in Set 1 and Set 2, and how they apply in the case of the particular course under discussion. I&#039;ve found it helpful to think in terms of the categories in my own course planning, and the students seem to appreciate having these issues discussed directly. At the least, it reduces the potential for drama in the student/teacher relationship, at least be a little, and every bit of reduction here helps! </p>
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		<title>By: Eriwila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eriwila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got 100% for an assignment I expended very little effort on.  No one - except me - knows how long it took me to write it or how much I sweated over it.  I truly hope that I didn&#039;t get any marks for effort.  In this instance I understood the brief and I produced.  If I had a mark for effort that could well mean that I didn&#039;t really understand what was asked of me (there is deficit in my learning/understanding) but because I put in some effort I was give some extra marks.  However, there are some assignments I do where I have put in much more effort and have not got such a good grade. Actually, I don&#039;t have time to put in hours and hours worth of effort.  It is my responsibility to find and obtain tools to help me do the job at hand to the best of my ability.  I seem to have a greater ability to write about concepts than hard facts. i.e. less effort and greater effort respectively </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 100% for an assignment I expended very little effort on.  No one &#8211; except me &#8211; knows how long it took me to write it or how much I sweated over it.  I truly hope that I didn&#039;t get any marks for effort.  In this instance I understood the brief and I produced.  If I had a mark for effort that could well mean that I didn&#039;t really understand what was asked of me (there is deficit in my learning/understanding) but because I put in some effort I was give some extra marks.  However, there are some assignments I do where I have put in much more effort and have not got such a good grade. Actually, I don&#039;t have time to put in hours and hours worth of effort.  It is my responsibility to find and obtain tools to help me do the job at hand to the best of my ability.  I seem to have a greater ability to write about concepts than hard facts. i.e. less effort and greater effort respectively </p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one area worthy of some reflection is the perception of effort by students with their reading assignments.  I have witnessed students reading and reading but often wonder- is there learning there?  So when a student says he or she has read for hours and still failed a test or assignment, I often will ask, &quot;Yes I am sure you did, but what did you learn?&quot;  As faculty, we need to develop learning activities that are engaing; not that reading cannot be engaging but many texts were not designed that way.  I can remember reading texts that would put the most engaged reader to sleep and it was effortful and hard work but I don&#039;t think I learned a thing.  To learn, we have to put the material in context using the WIFM principle.  When students see what is in it for them, then maybe the effort put forth will actually have a better pay off.  Take readings and put them in context and use other engaging activities with them. Just a few random thoughts .... took a lot of effort :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one area worthy of some reflection is the perception of effort by students with their reading assignments.  I have witnessed students reading and reading but often wonder- is there learning there?  So when a student says he or she has read for hours and still failed a test or assignment, I often will ask, &quot;Yes I am sure you did, but what did you learn?&quot;  As faculty, we need to develop learning activities that are engaing; not that reading cannot be engaging but many texts were not designed that way.  I can remember reading texts that would put the most engaged reader to sleep and it was effortful and hard work but I don&#039;t think I learned a thing.  To learn, we have to put the material in context using the WIFM principle.  When students see what is in it for them, then maybe the effort put forth will actually have a better pay off.  Take readings and put them in context and use other engaging activities with them. Just a few random thoughts &#8230;. took a lot of effort <img src='http://www.facultyfocus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put a great deal of effort into painting the walls of my home but they don&#039;t look professionally painted. Heck! I think I deserve an A for effort, don&#039;t you?  Thank you,. Now those walls look much better... Don&#039;t they? They do, don&#039;t they? Don&#039;t they? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put a great deal of effort into painting the walls of my home but they don&#039;t look professionally painted. Heck! I think I deserve an A for effort, don&#039;t you?  Thank you,. Now those walls look much better&#8230; Don&#039;t they? They do, don&#039;t they? Don&#039;t they? </p>
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		<title>By: @okalrelsrv</title>
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		<dc:creator>@okalrelsrv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve experienced this phenomenon. Puzzling. Until you realize it&#039;s a symptom. The disease? Students don&#039;t believe they need to know what we&#039;re teaching. If you accept the premise that students believe it&#039;s a status ritual in which they must bestow the requisite respect and attention to earn the credit ... then the idea of being rewarded for effort irrespective of performance on the content makes perfect sense. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve experienced this phenomenon. Puzzling. Until you realize it&#039;s a symptom. The disease? Students don&#039;t believe they need to know what we&#039;re teaching. If you accept the premise that students believe it&#039;s a status ritual in which they must bestow the requisite respect and attention to earn the credit &#8230; then the idea of being rewarded for effort irrespective of performance on the content makes perfect sense. </p>
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